Paul Hopper
Paul Hopper [link]
03 November 2004 @ 14:12:00
put me out of my misery
Half of this country needs to be knocked upside the head multiple times with a 2x4.  One half needs some sense knocked into it and the other needs to be put out of its misery.

And the anti-gay marriage proposals on the ballot passed in each of the 11 states that had them.  Such hate and intolerance!  Like gay people aren't going to be gay and live together and, yes, have sex and do all the things married couples do anyway just because you deny them the legal rights you recognize married couples deserve!  Ugh!  I'm sorry, Tay, I don't understand it, either.

The next four years will be horrible and I'm confident that this administration's failures will come back to haunt it and the Republican party.  But I also fear that it will take many, many years to undo the damage that already has been done and the damage that is yet to come.
 
 
Current Mood: indescribable
 
 
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Brandi [link] on November 3rd, 2004 - 01:29:11 ET
Wow...
Whatever happened to "the pursuit of happiness" that we are all entitled to? Once again, America missed the boat. I don't care how wrong your religion says gay people are, God did not intend for you to sit there and persecute others.

Not you personally, of course, but you know.
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joyhopper [link] on November 3rd, 2004 - 07:13:41 ET
Despite our self-image of fairness, this country has never moved seamlessly and with grace toward acceptance of new norms. There is usually a big step backwards and some entrenchment before the slow move toward what is right. Look at how long before women were allowed to vote, and then the number of years that lapsed (and the venom) over the Equal Rights Amendment. Yet it passed and has become less controversial over time. And civil rights the same. Some day we will savor the victory for rights of all people, without regard to their sexual orientation, to enjoy the benefits of marriage. Some later day, we will take it for granted as the way it is. The old fuddy duddies will pass away, and the young ones will be outnumbered. That's social evolution.
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risler [link] on November 3rd, 2004 - 10:06:20 ET
Makes me proud...
It all makes me so proud to be a godless heathen :)
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Paul Hopper [link] on November 3rd, 2004 - 20:22:48 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
I was waiting to see if youphoric would respond to this one, but she may be too busy.

You don't have to be a godless heathen to support gay rights. Whether your moral convictions are tied to belief in God or something else altogether different, a consistent moral code based on respect, love, and decency toward others supports gay rights. How people so opposed to and uncomfortable with homosexuality came to the conclusion that preventing gay couples from enjoying the legal rights of marriage was the morally right thing to do, I'll never understand. People who claim to believe in a loving God but voted to deny people rights need to do some serious soul-searching, because their is obviously a disconnect somewhere in their brain.

A thinking person can look at the moss on a tree and, using that as his/her reference base, can derive not only a sense of which way is north, but also south, west, and east even if signs nailed to the tree confuse east and west.

(And, yes, I know you were just being facetious.)
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Paul Hopper [link] on November 3rd, 2004 - 21:44:46 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
Oh how I hate typos!

People who claim to believe in a loving God but voted to deny people rights need to do some serious soul-searching, because there is obviously a disconnect somewhere in their brain.
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Brandi [link] on November 3rd, 2004 - 21:30:12 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
Yeah, I'm busy over here today, but you know I would have jumped right on this one.

At any rate, I am a Christian and I believe that Proposal 2 is wrong. I also believe that Christian religions have altogether missed the point. Christianity is a body of beliefs that pride themselves on actively bringing people to the faith. In order for our works to be meaningful, we can't start excluding people from church. Period. To say in one breath that all people are equal in the presence of the great God and then presume yourself to be better than an entire subset of people is an abomination.

I don't believe homosexuality is a sin. In fact, God is LOVE, and anything based in LOVE is based in GOD. Others don't see things from my perspective and it is why I have been disillusioned with my religion as of late (not my faith, but my religion.)

So, not all Christians believe the "anti-gay" rhetoric. Don't discriminate against us!!! :)
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Paul Hopper [link] on November 4th, 2004 - 04:06:32 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
Don't discriminate against us!!! :)
For some reason, that made me laugh. :)
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risler [link] on November 4th, 2004 - 12:04:51 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
It made me laugh too. :)

We all need some humor in our lives, especially in these trying times. Hence the reason for my cheeky original response.

I'm well aware that not ALL Christians in this country believe the rhetoric. The problem is that recent election results show that apparently quite a large number of them do.
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Paul Hopper [link] on November 4th, 2004 - 12:43:33 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
We all need some humor in our lives, especially in these trying times.
Yeah, and, unfortunately, it hurts to watch The Daily Show right now. It makes me want to laugh and cry, laugh and cry.

I'm well aware that not ALL Christians in this country believe the rhetoric.
I know that, just felt it had to be said.

The problem is that recent election results show that apparently quite a large number of them do.
Exactly. While there are many Christians who do not believe in discriminating against gays, they either aren't in the majority or haven't bothered to take up that issue and make it known that discrimination against gays is immoral. There needs to be a widespread effort to counter the hate of the very vocal self-righteous so-called Christians behind sites like www.godhatesfags.com.
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Reyn [link] on November 4th, 2004 - 15:52:39 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
Did you read this page? http://www.godhatesfags.com/fags/fag.html

Although I think they were intending to shock people by their use of terminology (they attempt to explain it), their interpretation of scripture is just as valid as the next man's.
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risler [link] on November 4th, 2004 - 20:23:14 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
Here's something even scarier. Ever wonder what happened to Kirk Cameron?

http://thewayofthemaster.com/


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Reyn [link] on November 4th, 2004 - 20:57:23 ET
Re: Makes me proud...
Well, the ministry's a very profitable venture. It doesn't have to be laced with hatred. Hammer's church is the bomb, right? It's no surprise that at the end of the day, people like Kirk and Hammer just want to be in an environment where they still feel loved by a decent crowd of people. I'm most horrified by the actual text of the purported "word of GOD" though.
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